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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

  by You Know in

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  Tell me, You Know... tell us ALL...

  I have told you many times, and yet you do not believe. Jehovah's judgment begins FIRST with his own house. The question you people should ask is this: "Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God? And if the righteous man is being saved with difficulty, where will the ungodly man and the sinner make a showing?" (1 Peter 4:17)

  Please notice that Peter didn't even bother to ask about how it will end for the accursed children of the apostasy. It should be obvious. / You Know
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  You Know...nice apostate stuff

  by ISP in

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  yeah...i was looking at your stuff that you posted down the board.

  plenty of yk bible 'insights'........of course none of which would be supported with references to wts publications.the wts would reject all that stuff and df you if you tried spreading it in your community.. .

  after all the wts said in the 1.8.01 wt page 14.... he does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to bible understanding.. .

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  I admit that it is somewhat unfair springing my own insights on hapless apostates, but, didn't Jesus say that his disciples would trample down scorpions and serpents? I don't need a rolled up Watchtower to swat at you when I have got Jehovah's word. The beautiful thing, from my standpoint anyway, is that I can use the Scriptures to defend my faith as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't really need the Watchtower to do that, although I appreciate the encouragment from the Watchtower, the real source of our power is God's word. As I pointed out in my post, since apostates fail to see the emminece of Jehovah, you really have no faith at all. Because evidently you were mere followers of the Watchtower to begin with, and not really devoted to Jehovah in true faith, once you began to doubt the Watchtower you were left with nothing but the worthless husk of a religion. Obviously you cannot refute anything I say, you can only flail about and make absurd accusations about my being an apostate. Personally I find your antics most amusing. / You Know
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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

  by You Know in

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  You make a huge assumption in saying we are all immoral, you may be right in one or two cases

  LOL! You must be trying out some material for a stand-up comic routine, right? Tell me you are kidding man. You have got to be joking, right?

  I think it is immoral to kill people without giving them a chance

  Yes, killing people is immoral. That's why Jehovah is determined to bring this world into judgment because of the untold millions who have been murdered and crushed by grinding poverty and denied justice. The tribulation will simply be the last straw that strips this system bear for all to see just how evil it really is. That's why God's prophet says that the "earth and the works in it will be exposed."

  I guarantee that you dont include this sort of material in talks and items given in the kingdom halls. I have never heard anything like this from any elder giving talks from the platform, I have never read anything like this in the magazines. Now, running ahead of the society is considered apostacy itself, by the society. So I welcome you now as the King of Apostates!

  LOL! That is one of the apostate's typical reactions when faced with a truth that the Watchtower has not clearly spelled out for you. Usually the apostate accuser calls Jehovah's Witnesses braindead Watchtower zombies, but when someone relates something not found in the Watchtower your typical accusation is that we are apostates like you. It should be obvious that you simply are adverse to the truth.

  I cannot imagine Christ Jesus preaching what you preach.

  Let's face it, you don't really know Jesus. Your fatal assumption is that you do though. As a matter of fact Jesus spoke about a great tribulation that would come, not just upon tiny little Jerusalem, but upon all mankind. He also foretold very plainly that unless each one repents they will be destroyed. Jesus described his apostate enemies like weeds that are destined to be gathered up by his angels and cast into the firey furnace. Obviously you do not wish to accept Jesus' words concerning Jehovah's oncoming judgment because you know you are on the wrong end of the scale.

  You cannot deny that your thoughts are apostate thoughts because according to the society an apostate is one who goes by his own thinking and preaches his own thinking as if it was from Jehovah and this is what you do here.

  The apostate is only intent upon deflecting the light of Jehovah's judgment from yourself. It doesn't matter whether it is out of the Watchtower or from my keyboard, the facts speak for themselves and that is what you hate to hear.

  I havent got anything against you personally because I dont know you, the only thing I am against is the destructive ideas that you put across.

  Calling attention to the prophecies of God's word regarding your world is not destructive. The world is destructive. That fact that you would have us believe that it is a good place makes you part of the criminal enterprize. There are those who don't care one bit for the Bible who recognize that the world is in a near terminal situation. The fact that you CLAIM to know the Bible makes you even more accoutable before God. / You Know
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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  To INDIVIDUAL:

  When you look around the world there are a lot of good people, I would say that the majority of people are sincere, honesthearted and genuine, many of whom truly love God and Jesus Christ in their own religions.

  That is your opinion. God's judgment is something else. Obviously you chose to overlook the rampant wickedness and immorality that exist in the world. Most apostates are themselves grossly immoral as is evident in this forum. As it says at Romans the 1st chapter, that even though you know full well God's decree that those practicing such things are deserving of death, you support and encourage those who defy God's law. So it should be evident that an apostate's opinion of the way the world is is absolutely worthless.

  The only people that I know that long to see them destroyed are JWs.

  You are laboring under the fatal assumption that God approves of this world. He doesn't. His will is that this wicked and dying system be replaced with a perfect world of peace and beauty. Only a truly wicked person would not want God to repace this world with one of his making.

  People used to go out looking for a house to own after Armageddon and I've experienced this with people I've worked with so you cannot say it doesnt happen. How can you say their heart condition is right and better than those they are preaching to??

  More fatal assumptions on your part. God's yet-to-be-revealed judgment is based upon something totally beyond your grasp. I shall not waste my time trying to disabuse you of your own folly.

  If God brought Armageddon now it would be a massive failure on his part, a failure to reach peoples hearts because he has decided to use a corrupt organisation whose faults have revealed consistently on this board.

  Apostates are laboring under enormous fallacies and fatal assumptions. You have this idiotic idea that Jehovah just shows up one fine day and starts slaughtering people. This is one of the most imbecilic and blasphemous notions. The truth is far from that. God's word indicates instead that there is a Great Tribulation that comes upon this system as a result of the culmination of human greed and stupidity. Even now the world is like a powder keg with a lit fuse burning down to the quick. There are easily enough nuclear, chemical, and biological weaponry to annihilate mankind many times over. Only God can save mankind out of the mess that they have gotten in to, but someone's going to have to pay the price for the way things are.

  Yet the apostate buffoon would shake his tiny little fist at God for decreeing that such an evil and corrupt civilization shall suffer the fruitage of its own death-dealing ways, and of course you would also curse God for not intervening to save your world from its own inglorious and long-overdo demise.

  Nonetheless, the judgment of God is perfect and just in every way because it allows for this system to finally implode upon itself in a genocidal holocaust of unimaginable horror, while at the same time making salvation possible for any who choose the terms God sets out. While at this point it is no doubt incomprehensible to you that this system could ever fail, even though it is obvious that the system is in the process of failing at this very moment, but that is just wishful thinking on your part that everything is okay---except of course that Jehovah's Witnesses keep pointing out unpleasant facts regarding this world's judgment. At any rate, Jehovah long ago foresaw how human wickedness would ultimately play out. He knew all along that the post-flood civilization would eventually end in mankind's worst nightmare. He also foresaw how apostates would viciously deny the truth of God's impending judgments. Appropriately, in the end the Devil's children are simply going to eat each other when God turns up the heat by allowing the forces of darkness their final hour. God will use this world's undoing as a means to force the issues. Most people will amazing choose to cling to this dying system even during the holocaust, thereby justifying Jehovah's liquidation of the whole shebang. That final liquidation is Armageddon.

  In reality, the world you love and trust and desperately want to continue on will be your own undoing. Such is as it should be. God simply allows the demonically motivated powers of this system to act as his executioner. It has happened many times in the past in Bible times. The Assyrians, Babylonian, and Roman empires have all served as God's punishing agents. It is the nature of the beast-like governments to kill. Even in recent times communists have destroyed millions and millions of people, perhaps as many as 100 million. It is no coincidence that the oligachical powers behind the drive for world governement have as their official policy the reduction of the earth's population by about 80%. The Bible in fact says that God will make mortal man "rarer than refined gold." The difference is that during the tribulation Jehovah will step in to serve as a refuge for his people who have the faith to call upon his name. Obviously that would be out of the question for apostate enemies of Jehovah. / You Know
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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  WINSTON:

  Please tell me what is your definition of an apostate?

  The definition of an apostate is one who falls away from devotion to Jehovah.

  I'm not on the same page as you.

  Obviously you are not on the same page as Jehovah either. That's indicative of your own apostasy.

  Another words what does one have to do to become an apostate, so I can avoid being destoyed. Please be very clear my life is in your hands. Make it clear so clear that we will all repent.

  Whether you are just pretending to be stupid, or actually are, makes no difference to me. That's part of your fatal assumption, namely that it is even possible for you to repent. LOL / You Know
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  ANY JW CARE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTIONS?

  by d0rkyd00d in

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  i know there are not many jw's who post on this server, but if you are lurking, feel free to answer.

  these questions are compliments * http://users.aol.com/beyondjw/dilemmas.htm.

  lmao.

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  A) Has the Society ever taught anything scripturally incorrect?

  Yes. Of course they have. They freely acknowledge that.

  1B) Might the Society be teaching anything scripturally incorrect now?

  Yes. Of course. The Scriptures indicate that only when Jesus arrives in his glory will the ultimate truth be revealed.

  1C) Are Moslems as certain their religion is right as Witnesses are?

  Perhaps. But conviction is no substitute for faith in Jehovah and Christ. They have a zeal for God, like the apostle said, but not according to accurate knowledge.

  2A) At Armageddon, will ALL non-Witnesses die? (If not, who lives?)

  Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah in faith will receive his salvation. You figure out where all non-Witnesses stand in relation to that revealed truth.
  
  2B) Do you believe a loving God would kill over 5,000,000,000 people?

  That is a basic misunderstanding that apostates have been dismissed with. The truth is that a large percentage of the world is going to be destroyed in a genocidal holocaust. Jehovah steps in at the end of that period only to execute vengeance upon those who executed his own children. At that point during the world's most horrific period of bloodletting, Jehovah will be fully justified in annihilating the remaining worldlings who reject his salvation.
  
  2C) Why has the Society said the end is "soon", every day since 1884?

  Because that's what Jehovah's watchmen are commissioned to do.
  
  3A) Why would a "just" God punish billions for Adam and Eve's error?

  Wrong question. Why would a just God resurrect billions of unworthy ones and give them everlasting life?
  
  3B) Why would a "just" God give all women extra punishment (birth pain)?

  God didn't personally add that extra burden. He simply foresaw how the weaker sex would suffer outside the paradise. He allowed such suffering as punishment.
  
  3C) If Adam and Eve didn't know evil, why blame them for being fooled?

  Adam wasn't fooled. He deliberately disobeyed.

  3D) Why would God insist that Jesus be murdered to cancel out sin?

  To completely answer Satan's challenge that God's creatures are inherently self-serving and can't hold up under test.
  
  3E) Jesus taught forgiveness; why couldn't God just forgive us?

  Because as you noted, he is also a God of justice.

  4A) Do you really believe lions were originally designed to eat grass?

  No.
  
  4B) If life is sacred, why is our immune system designed to kill germs?

  Not all life has the same value. Peter, in referring to apostates, said that they were like unreasoning beasts that are caught up NATURALLY to be destroyed. So beast are born to die. Death is part of their natural cycle of life. Jesus also noted that human are worth more than many sparrows. That's because we were originally made in God's image. Jehovah lives forever and it is his will that all his children to so as well.
  
  4C) Where did smallpox and leprosy come from? (Did God create them?)

  Of course. If a human's immune system were perfect such tiny little microbes wouldn't faze them.
  
  5A) Who besides the Society says the temple was destroyed in 607 BCE?

  No one.
  
  5B) Why do Witnesses say "Jehovah", when that pronunciation is wrong?

  It is the Anglicized pronunciation and is far more accurate than Yahweh.
  
  5C) The Bible is full of miracles; does it say why they stopped?

  They haven't stopped. Perhaps just a temporary interruption.

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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  In Jesus' parting words to his disciples, he said: "I have spoken these things to you that you may not be stumbled." He went on to relate to them, and by extension his modern day disciples, that they would be persecuted and killed by those who had not come to know him or his Father. In Jesus great prophecy of the conclusion of this system he of course foretold that many would be stumbled by apostasy and that many would hate and betray one another. Jesus further related in the 15th chapter of John: "Nevertheless, I have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember I told them to you." Further, in that context, Jesus said that there were some things that they simply couldn't bear at present, but, that, the spirit of the truth would at some point speak about all things plainly. That process of being guided into all the truth is obviously not complete. In fact, as the apostle Paul noted in the 13th chapter of 1st Corinthians, that at present we still only see the hazy outline of reality, but that at Christ's arrival the truth will be fully and finally revealed. No doubt this will relate to the unveiling of the sons of God as a preliminary to Satan's being crushed by them.

  The point is, as it relates to the ongoing apostasy among Jehovah's Witnesses, is that Jesus retains absolute control over the dispensation of God's sacred treasury of truth. In effect, that means that Christ indirectly takes responsibility for the errors and misunderstandings that exist among his anointed congregation seeing that it is his stated purpose to only reveal the whole truth at the time of his arrival. Numerous Hebrew prophets in fact verify that the ultimate outpouring of holy spirit is not scheduled to occur until well into the tribulation period; after the faithless and apostate element within the organization has been thoroughly exposed to the light of day and purged. In the 28th chapter of Isaiah, for example, when tribulation comes upon the Israel of God in order to accomplish God's "unusual work" and his self-described, and totally unanticipated----"strange deed," it is for the purpose, as Jehovah says: "And one corrects him according to what is right. His own God instructs him. For it is not with a threshing instrument that black cumin is given a treading…" The detailed illustration that Jehovah gives to Isaiah foretells the proper degree of chastisement and correction God will level against his chosen sons in preparation for their being finally received into his wonderful kingdom.

  As for the now developing apostate community, their ignorance is not correctable by the same means that Jehovah uses to correct his own wayward family of anointed sons. The apostate's ignorance is indeed fatal. This is because, as Isaiah describes in the 26th chapter, the wicked one, even though shown favor by God in coming to a basic knowledge of Scriptural truth, simply will not learn righteousness and will fail to see the eminence of Jehovah. Failing to see the eminence of Jehovah is an exacting description of the spiritual flaw within the individual apostate that makes them susceptible to apostasy. Their fatal assumption is that they know the truth about the truth, yet they are completely blind to Jehovah's spiritual reality in the world. Because of this demonically induced blindness that the apostate heartily embraces, apostates are tragically destined to be maneuvered by the Devil into eventually murdering their former brothers. This will no doubt occur when once the tribulation erupts, and is as inevitable as when Satan entered into Judas in order to murder God's preeminent son. That's why the apostate is said to be on the "path of Cain," who of course murdered his own brother.

  That brings us back to Christ's parting words to his apostles at John 15:4b: "When the hour for them arrives, you may remember I told them to you. These things, however, I did not tell you at first, because I was with you."

  At this point the hour for the authority of Satan and his minions has not yet arrived, but is is obviously very near. When the system implodes and the trap is sprung, it will initially have the same effect upon us that Jesus' arrest and murder had upon his apostles---confusion!. Yet, shortly afterwards, Jesus poured out his spirit upon the faithful who endured the period of confusion caused by Christ's absence. So, the point is that Jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived. Not that he will literally speak to us, but that things long concealed in Scripture will be revealed at the critical hour. So it is that the apostates are dismissed long before Jesus intimately speaks with the faithful who endure Jehovah's discipline. Their ignorance and fatal assumptions will result in Jehovah's judgment revealed again through Isaiah: "They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up. Therefore you have turned your attention that you might annihilate and destroy all mention of them."

  No wonder that Jesus is called the Wonderful Counselor. His words have the potential of guiding his loyal ones through a world-ending holocaust into the New World. That's why too, Isaiah 28:29 says of Jehovah himself: "This also is what has come forth from Jehovah of armies himself, who has been wonderful in counsel, who has done greatly in effectual working."

  "The doing of those who fall away (apostatize) I have hated. It does not cling to me."

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  What's your favorite line from a movie?

  by Isis in

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  ...or least favorite?.

  just for fun of course.. i just posted on the top 10 movies to take on a desert island and it had me wonder.. anyways....as to my favorite:.

  "there is no spoon.

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  "I gotta feeling this isn't Kansas any more Toto." --- Dorthy in the Wizard of Oz

  Another great line is from a Clint Eastwood movie---Outlaw Josey Wales. There is a scene where Eastwood and his partner shoot a couple of bushwacking bounty hunters, and his partner says they ought to bury them proper. But Eastwood grimaces, and from his mount, spits a wad of tobacco juice on one of the dead guys' face and says: "To hell with them fellas...buzzards gotta eat the same as worms." / You Know
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  WEEKLY STRATEGIC UPDATE

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  there is no question about it, the world is rapidly heading toward its terminal tumult.

  with the foretold apostasy now fully underway, the stage is set for jehovahs ongoing controversy to be pressed to its ultimate conclusion.

  piece by piece, chunks of the underlying economy, the life blood of the present system of things, are falling away.

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  What is the longest period of time that will go by before we have this financial collapse?

  LaRouche is the foremost economist who has called the collapse in every phase since the derivatives bubble first began to swell back in 1994. In his most recent statement on the topic, he calls for the complete collapse of both the financial and the monetary system before the year's-end. I see no reason to disagree with his expert assesment of things.

  TO BABOON BOY:

  A classic piece of watchtower mythmaking. WWI was not caused by the assassination of the Archduke, the causes and tensions of WWI can be traced back to at least the middle of the C19th.

  Of course WWI was brewing for years leading up to 1914. I mentioned in my earlier post that the underlying reason for the war was the indended development of Eurasia---the so-called Bagdad railway threatened to undercut Britain's maritime monopoly. The present situation is similar and all it takes is one spark to set off a conflagration. You are simply imbecilic for not recognizing that fact. / You Know
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  Is the GB guilty of stumbling christian? matt18:6

  by Winston in

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  matthew 18: 6,7 "if anyone should cause one of these little ones to turn away from his faith in me, it would be better for that man to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea.. how terrible for the world that there are things that make people turn away!

  such things will alway happen--but how terrible for the one who causes them.".

  has the governing body really been responcible for causing real genuine belevers in jesus christ to stumble the way jesus says at mathew 18?.

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  How on earth can Ray Franz be responsible for stumbling others if he tells the truth.

  Giving away the faults and misteps of the brothers is not "telling the truth"---not in Jehovah's judgment anyway---and Jehovah's legal opinions are the only ones that count. What Ray Franz divulged amounts to gossip---really. I know much more about the Society's shortcomings, as regards prophecy, then Ray Franz ever could have imagined, yet, I have no desire or inclination to set such stumbling blocks before others. It all goes to motive and that's what Jehovah is going to judge. In the Psalms he rebukes those who sit and speak against their brothers all the while imagining that God is going to become just like them. Jesus likewise foretold that some apostates would become so deluded so as to imagine that theyt were rendering God a sacred service by murdering his sons. The fact that you would charaterize Franz as a truth teller indicates the kind of delusion we are dealing with. / You Know